Intel FIGHTS back! | End of the M1?



Good stuff coming from Intel in 2022. Is it time to reconsider getting an M1 MacBook and instead wait a little bit for the new PC laptops?

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  1. And what is the power draw, battery life and fan noise? All things the M1 will still have on Intel for now at least.

  2. The issue Intel CPUs will face now is a up hill battle.This new metal is going to run mostly on Windows. Regardless of the CPU performance in itself, it will be bundled with Windows. Before we could have intel in Windows and iOS pcs snd we could separate the issues. Sorry but in long term, somehow Windows gets bloated, slower, and with every single new release, irritating issues come up. Especially some inconsistencies or changes, have made people like me never to buy Windows PCs again (MS changed drastically the control panel, response from small things is like what the heck, in some windows version, start is bottom left, search is top right, and the screen just goes blue….ftw MS? there are so many small config things that now I have to look for every single of them).
    I have macs running the same since 2010 and no reason to change it,. My "brand new" macbookPro is from 2018.

  3. @Alex: Why not comparing compilation time and other programming stuffs to a Linux distro too? It will be very helpful for many people. Lenovo for example has a very good hardware compatibility and performance to run a Linux distro like a charm

  4. I heard many developers who do backend web development tried arm processors (Apple) and had problems when the work is pushed to servers because the majority are x86. Things work on local machines but stuck when pushed to clients' servers. Anyone can explain please? It's really important.

  5. I think Nova Lake in 2025 will be when Intel produces a more efficient chip than Apple for two reasons:

    1) Nova Lake will debut an entirely new architecture with Nova Lake which will completely replace the "Core" architecture that has underpinned every Intel CPU since 2006, and it is being designed from the ground up to specifically challenge ARM in efficiency (see "Royal Core Project"). Its design began under Jim Keller (Who led the creation of Zen and the first Apple A series). In his Interview with TechTechPotato, Jim Keller underplays the whole "ARM" vs "x86-64" debate, arguing that ARM is becoming more complex with each iteration as features need to be added for it evolve past phones, and that x86 is being cleaned to reduce some unnecessary complexity.

    2) Intel's roadmap has them beating TSMC to market with GAA-FET by a few months. This is the biggest evolution of node process design since FINFET. If timelines are followed, Intel will reach full node process parity with TSMC in 2025. I'm confident Intel will hit these timelines, because they've already contracted to be the outsourced manufacturer for Qualcomm and Amazon's custom chips using this node in 2025. Intel must be confident enough to risk MASSIVE lawsuits to sign these contracts. If they don't hit these timelines, the 10nm debacle will look very minor in comparison.

    3) I think Meteor Lake in 2023 will be the first beg step towards competition to Apple M series. I don't think it'll be as power efficient, but I think it'll be "close enough" to make it less of a big deal as it is today.

  6. 3:10 To be fair, the fact that Intel had been working on this in the past and only now decided to move off their ass and sluggishly take another step forward, sounds even worse to me. This essentially means, that they would have happily kept milking the ageing cow that is their i series until the end of time, so long they were marginally faster than the competition.

  7. Thanks for your video!
    The real problem with Intel chips is: to get this high performance, they need to feed the horses very well. In a wattage constrained environment neither the highest priced machines nor the normal priced machines are going to be good competitors. They may be good when unconstrained – but in laptops the manufacturers can’t beat the physics. Watch the videos from max tech for more information.

  8. You know what would be the end of apple? Microsoft making Windows open source, developers optimizing Win to maximize the performance and security and the other laptop brands will go up as well. I think Microsoft is holding the other brands off by not going open source, in turn helping apple

  9. Competition is good for the consumer, and Intel 12th gen laptop processors look promising. I still think Apple silicon will win with regards to performance per Watt, but Intel's raw performance looks great on paper, especially with 5.0 GHz boost clocks. I wonder if Apple over time will increase clock speeds to match, M2, M3 etc. I am also interested to see how Microsoft's next gen ARM processor will compare with Apple silicon. ARM processors power efficiency makes them such a good fit with mobile devices, and the time is right for ARM processors to make more inroads into the laptop / 2 in 1 market segment. I have always been a fan of Mac OS and how it integrates via the iCloud with iOS / iPad OS etc, but Windows 11 may challenge this. Today Windows 11 allows you to run Linux GUI apps alongside Windows apps and they run under their own Linux kernel and make use of Graphics acceleration (WSL 2.0 / WDDM 3.0). I was surprised how well this performs, plus my Linux apps could access a network printer. Running Windows, Linux and Android apps on a single 2 in 1 mobile device with a touch screen / pen support is becoming a reality. Whereas in the Apple ecosystem I need to carry around a minimum of two mobile devices, MacBook plus iPad, to realise the same functionality set, and then with some graphics support limitations.

  10. The chart at 1:31 is a little confusing, specifically how these numbers relate to any of the actual benchmarks that have started to appear in the wild. If the Geekbench scores we're seeing are to believed, we can expect the 12900HK to deliver around around 105% performance of an M1 Max in both single and multi-threaded testing. If this is true, I'm not sure how impressed we should all be given the obvious power and thermal compromises Intel will undoubtedly be making to achieve even such a modest performance lead. 105% is also not that 150% the chart at 1:31 is implying.

  11. Intel architecture is holding its extinction genes within, the early 70's technology for half a century and as if this is not enough, they stuck with 14nm for years despite all advertised plans and deadlines, while AMD went to 7nm and soon 6nm and had an arm and leg over Intel for the past 5 years, the blue team was living in the 14nm dark ages and even with the 12th generation they are left behind with a 10nm and a ton of power to operate it, they say history repeats itself, and this is true, I saw the same behavior before and the company who did it vanished after being dominant for decades. NOKIA.

    As for Apple M1 architecture with 5nm and soon M2 with ARM technology and a fraction of power and heat generation compared to IOP (intel oven processors), I don't think there is a comparison here.

  12. The laptops 🧑🏾‍💻 are not really laptops, if you are chain to power and desk for mobile work. 🙏

  13. Meh. You know why it's "cool" to have that Apple logo? It's because the machines don't look like a rummage sale, sound like a woodchipper, and feel like crappy plastic. Everything about the "normal" brands reeks of getting by — and before anyone gets high and mighty about affordability, I never hear anyone bitch about status automobiles the way they do about Macs.

  14. No matter how good intel is going to be, I won't be buying anything from them anytime soon. Not a fan of that monopoly they had in the last decade until ryzen appeared, I am happy with team red here and using my m1 as my daily driver, and when zen4 comes to town, intel will be old news.

  15. Alex, you are such a funny guy.. You really made my day with your starbucks.. I meant coffee shop anecdote.

  16. Intel is great, especially in winter. New chips have TPD 115W in turbo mode, multithread will be faster a bit because there are more cores, but unfortunately only when using power cord. On battery, sorry, no. And who is missing that hissing sound from fans? Not me. Only real competitor will be Qualcomm, but we have to wait at least 1 more year.

  17. i wonder, apple m1 on 3nm no (or 5)? 1nm is = to 1 silicon atom, so single transistor on m1 is = 3 atoms.

    intel 10nm, refresh me?

    now apple can shrink its own transistors only 3 times while intel 10… no room for apple sadly i guess

  18. 3:05 what are u saying is that not gonna coppy apple but ARM, since little.big that apple use is a arm thing not apple's

  19. The least power Intel CPU needs is 115w compared to M1 that only needs 35w. Intel will chug your battery like there is no tomorrow. I’m also done with laptops that makes me feel like they’ll take off if I run any heavy task.

  20. I’ll say this as a happy owner of a M1 Pro 14-inches MBP: I read a lot of defensive comments here. Intel won’t be able to pull it off, Intel is trash in battery life, x86 will never be as efficient as ARM, etc.

    It almost sounds like the noises we heard after Apple M1 event, and Apple ended up silencing those noises quite violently with the first benchmarks. I don’t know man, let’s wait and see. I’m happy with my MacBook for the foreseeable future so I don’t really care about what Intel presents right now, but it’s ok to keep an eye open for alternatives.

  21. What kind of Kool-aid are you drinking… Intel delivering this large a change in their power consumption and performance… Where were they 2 years ago when Apple asked them to fix the I9? They had no roadmap then and now you automatically believe them. I’ve been burned (pun intended) before… I just bought the base model Apple MBP 16 and I’m very happy… I do think this will drive Apple on price some, which would be good. I trust Intel about as far as I can throw their HQ building… if they actually did this and could have 2 years ago, they technically a failure and morally bankrupt. AMD we will have to wait and see as well, but at least they are more believable.

  22. Battery life is going to be a very relevant detail for mobile computing. I don't see a path for x86 to beat arm64 on power efficiency.

  23. Highly unlikely, and bad comparison by the way. A 10nm process CPU although relevant in performance, can not match the energy efficiency of the M chips. Plus, the intel machine needs to be plugged into a power source in order to get all of the benefits. The M series will rule supreme over intel for the foreseeable future, a better bet would be AMD with their 5nm process

  24. If you ask me, as a user of both worlds, apple notebooks and other brands, the reason to always buy something Apple is that they usually do not cheap out in the components that are not showable… RAM and Storage medium quality are always premium. If you want something premium at regular PC World you end up at Dell's XPS or HP/Lenovo… and the price will be the same. Not to mention that keyboard, touchpad, display quality at Apple's equipments are usually the standard in quality. Unless you speak butterflies.

  25. Remember – CPU means a lot in laptops, but there are a lot more critical details, which can effect your user experience – touchpad, mics, camera, keyboard, speakers, battery, display (remember – you don't have reserve eyes) etc. I found that current macbooks are not so more expensive comparing to top Dell laptops – both have ~$2k price.

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